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oldpainlesskodi

15th August 2020, 18:38

Well, for fun and giggles, just in case anyone is bored...............I'm on AMD...no issues., out of the box over 1-2 days no dropped frames. (23p)........runs and ducks for cover lol.

huhn

17th August 2020, 17:51

madVR still fails with creating direct3d device failed when HDR passthrough is used on my system.

Klaus1189

17th August 2020, 18:16

@huhn: Please let me know if should add it in the first post ;)
If so, what was the first version affected, ...

videoh

17th August 2020, 18:18

Madvr abandonware Show some respect for the great things he has done for us all.

huhn

17th August 2020, 18:23

@huhn: Please let me know if should add it in the first post ;)
If so, what was the first version affected, ...

no clue only happens with overlay rendering(love this mode and i absolutely hate AMD for never adding it even intel has it...) and is most likely just madVR using the nvidia API wrong after the changes to it or overlay been abandoned.

we will get a new madVR version soonish he is currently active in the test build thread. we will know more soon enough.

Klaus1189

17th August 2020, 18:25

What benefits has overlay mode?

Posts: 1,000 ... Yee-haw ;)

huhn

17th August 2020, 18:28

doesn't care about display composition.
doesn't care about other programs running.
can't produce tearing.
ignores the WDDM the wddm banding bug was a great one...
and it's fast. these are the first thing coming to my mind.

CZ Eddie

21st August 2020, 17:31

I realize it is IMPOSSIBLE to know for sure, but what are everyones thoughts on RTX 3000 driver compatibility with MADVR?
What are your personal expectations on how well the 3000 series *might* work out of the gate?

Anyone think Madshi might may already be working on driver compatiblity?

I'm wanting to return my 2060S for a 2070S but part of me wants to wait a few more weeks for the 3070 to hit major resellers.

SamuriHL

21st August 2020, 21:34

If what was posted earlier was true that nVidia knows about the bug with madvr and is putting a work around in the next driver build, then the 30x0 cards will work fine. If not, I'm going to cry big boy tears as I'm getting a 3090 to replace my 2070.

huhn

21st August 2020, 22:03

madVR uses directx 9 mostly and nvidia will support that so that most of the story.

CZ Eddie

23rd August 2020, 06:51

This is good to know. Thanks for sharing the opinions, it is reassuring.

RTX 3000 series to be announced the first week of September, per rumors.
And the 3090/3080 to be released the end of September, with 3070 to follow sometime in October (all per rumors).

I have never paid attention to GPU/video card releases before now.

SamuriHL

23rd August 2020, 13:24

Don't expect these cards to be cheap. Latest rumors are 1399 for the 3090 I want and 799 for the 3080. Those are msrp so expect the real prices to be higher. Again rumors but they are from typically reliable sources. But Nvidia has a habit of not setting actual prices until hours before the reveal. I'm on vacation that day so I'll be watching the reveal live. Can't wait. As soon as they put the cards up assuming they're not 2 grand I'll be pre-ordering one.

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brazen1

23rd August 2020, 17:04

Video cards are as overpriced as stock in the company. I won't be buying into either.

CZ Eddie

23rd August 2020, 18:09

Well, I'm unhappy with how loud the fans are in my MSI Ventus RTX 2060 Super when it is hitting anything above ~90% GPU usage.
I could hear it from across the room during quiet scenes!
So, I wanted to upgrade to a 2070 Super with better fans.
But before I could make the move, it went out of stock because of 3000 coming out.

Sorry to derail driver talk with hardware talk.

SamuriHL

23rd August 2020, 18:58

The 3070 will be 599 MSRP. Not sure you'll find one for that price. Yes, these cards are overpriced. By a lot. If you want to see the price come down, wait until the Navi reveal and the PS5/Xbox Series X come out. nVidia will adapt or lose at that point. If I were just looking at gaming performance OR video performance, I'd not even CONSIDER a 1000+ priced card. But I'm of the opinion that I'll be able to max out whatever I want in madvr and avoid buying the PS5 and/or Xbox Series X by buying a 3090. For *ME* it is tolerable. And certainly beats spending 12 grand on an Envy.

VBB

23rd August 2020, 20:05

Video cards are as overpriced as stock in the company. I won't be buying into either.

I'm with you on that. Will be using my 960 (same as yours) a little longer. Honestly, it does everything I really need, and all I watch is 1080 and above on a 65" 4K screen. I'll probably buy a new TV before I buy a new video card :p

ryrynz

24th August 2020, 11:37

You say this.. and then you get a better card (1060 or above) and do NGU upscaling with SSIM2D downscaling and you go.. Oh, okay :P YMMV

chros

24th August 2020, 20:37

So I will probably wait for a 3070 Super with good fans to be released and then buy it.
Should be under $600 I think.
The one I am hoping for is the MSI Super Gaming X since it is known for less fan noise in the 2000 series and is typically sold at my preferred major reseller.
It won't solve it: the only solution is to underclock your GPU with MSI Afterburner (look for youtube videos).
Mine is a 1060 6GB Gaming X with 2 fans on it, that's supposed to be 120W (!) card and if it works on full power you can easily hear it and gets really annoying shortly.
Hence I underclock the GPU core to 1569MHz @ 0.8V, this way the fans max RPM is only 700 and they don't spin all the time. And I don't have any other fan in the Ryzen PC :)

I'm with you on that. Will be using my 960 (same as yours) a little longer. Honestly, it does everything I really need, and all I watch is 1080 and above on a 65" 4K screen.
Yes, same here, no way I spend more than 250 for a freaking GPU :)
As I said before, the only good thing about the state of madvr is that we don't have to upgrade our GPUs until AV1 decoder will be required :)

VBB

24th August 2020, 20:47

The one thing my card can't do (without some serious sacrificing, if at all) is tone map HDR to SDR, which is not a priority for me at this time. I've been using chroma and luma NGU low to high, depending on the source. No need for any downscaling with what I watch. I also don't use any additional processing, but I do use a LUT as well as smooth motion. Leaves me with plenty of headroom for render spikes. There might be a RTX 3070 in my future, once the dust has settled :)

chros

24th August 2020, 20:57

Just to do some proof of what I'm saying, I enabled Windows HDR and loaded up an HDR mkv in PowerDVD 20 Ultra. As mentioned, no HDR metadata. Dropped back to 442.92 studio driver, all metadata restored, both in madvr hdr output and in PowerDVD + Windows HDR. nVidia broke it. They need to fix it.
Thank You for checking, just upgraded from 385.28. I had small issues with it on LTSC 1809 in the last couple of months.

I can confirm that everything is working with 442.92 SD (except for 3d that I don't care about) :
- HDR10 metadata
- custom res 23p with CRU
- 12 bit falls back to 8bit at 60Hz, and back
- MSI Afterburner for underclocking/volting
- nvidiainspector for monitoring

Note that there's no performance difference between the 2 using d3d11native.

I still have audio misfunctions (I had the same with 385.28 as well, so maybe M$ screwed up something):
- set a speaker config, finish, if you open it up again it shows the default values (stereo)
- same for sample rate
- sometimes it resets to default without opening up the setting panel

SamuriHL

24th August 2020, 21:11

If we get a new driver I'll have to hook the fury back up. Right now it's not in my chain as I had some nasty issues going on after a power surge and had to pull everything apart. But when we get the next driver I'll throw it back in the chain and test it. I don't suspect we'll get another driver until after the 1st when the new cards are announced. I need to remind myself to DDU the driver once I get the new card unlike what I did when I went from the 1060 to the 2070. LOL I seriously hope they get this fixed by then.

chros

24th August 2020, 21:12

No need for any downscaling with what I watch. I also don't use any additional processing, but I do use a LUT as well as smooth motion. Leaves me with plenty of headroom for render spikes. There might be a RTX 3070 in my future, once the dust has settled :)
Yes, same here, except for Smooth Motion :D and I only use enhance details and crispen edges, nothing else.
We will see how power hungry the new GPUs will be, I'll never (!) buy a card that is more than 120W (!) that's for sure :)

SamuriHL

24th August 2020, 21:17

Oh then you will never be getting a 30x0 card. ;) These things are rumored to be EXTREMELY thirsty. That's the reason for the 12 pin power connector. Somewhere north of 300 watts on the 3090. I can't imagine the 3060 will be below 200 watts but you never know I guess.

chros

24th August 2020, 21:43

I can't imagine the 3060 will be below 200 watts but you never know I guess.
:D I hope you're joking ... :D You know, below 200W and 250 quid :D

huhn

24th August 2020, 22:03

you are ware a 2060 is at 160 watt?
and the 3090 is rumoured to have a new connector that just shipped with the card and the "only" reason i hope to use this connector instead of 2 8pins is the very tiny PCB. getting 375 watt into a GPU these days is nothing special. maybe nvidia just likes following specs there was something about 2 8pins to be out of spec or something.

There are cards that use two 8-pin connectors, but this has not been standardized yet as of 2018, therefore such cards must not carry the official PCI Express logo. This configuration allows 375 W total (1x75 W + 2x150 W) and will likely be standardized by PCI-SIG with the PCI Express 4.0 standard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

and these cards should be supported on PCIe 3.0 systems so here you have it.

chros

24th August 2020, 22:22

you are ware a 2060 is at 160 watt?
Yes, that's why I didn't care and I will not care in the future either.

huhn

24th August 2020, 22:33

just get a smaller card when they are released

SamuriHL

24th August 2020, 23:04

Yea sadly I wasn't joking. LOL And definitely not on price either. They should in theory be making some non-RTX cards again that should fit the bill on price and wattage. Maybe.

chros

27th August 2020, 22:02

Thank You for checking, just upgraded from 385.28. I had small issues with it on LTSC 1809 in the last couple of months.

Note that there's no performance difference between the 2 using d3d11native.
Actually I found a bug, not a small one, with madvr hdr output and 442.92 SD:
- start a HDR10 clip
- don't close the player
- start an SDR clip
- TV stays in HDR10 mode, it doesn't switch back to SDR! :mad:

It works the other way around: SDR -> HDR10
This was fine with 385.28.
Let me know if someone can reproduce it ...

oldpainlesskodi

28th August 2020, 08:08

Unable to replicate this on AMD. I normally use Kodi DSplayer, but tried as per your instructions using HPC-HC x64, and no problems.

chros

28th August 2020, 13:21

Unable to replicate this on AMD. I normally use Kodi DSplayer, but tried as per your instructions using HPC-HC x64, and no problems.
Thanks, but this is an nvidia driver bug :)

oldpainlesskodi

28th August 2020, 14:12

Ah ok.

CZ Eddie

28th August 2020, 16:38

The RTX 3000 card specs have been leaked:

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-and-geforce-rtx-3080-specifications-leaked

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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 features GA102-300 GPU with 5248 cores and 24GB of GDDR6X memory across a 384-bit bus. This gives a maximum theoretical bandwidth of 936 GB/s. Custom boards are powered by dual 8-pin power connectors which are definitely required since the card has a TGP of 350W.
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The GeForce RTX 3080 gets 4352 CUDA cores and 10GB of GDDR6X memory. This card will have a maximum bandwidth of 760 GB/s thanks to the 320-bit memory bus and 19 Gbps memory modules. This SKU has a TGP of 320W and the custom models that we saw also require dual 8-pin connectors.
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The GeForce RTX 3070 also launches at the end of next month (unless there is a change). We can confirm it has 8GB of GDDR6 memory (non-X). The memory speed is estimated at 16 Gbps and TGP at 220W. The CUDA Core specs are still to be confirmed.
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https://i.ibb.co/vq8y1dd/Untitled.jpg

SamuriHL

28th August 2020, 17:11

Now they just need a freaking working driver for them.

Manni

28th August 2020, 18:01

Now they just need a freaking working driver for them.

Yes, I'll wait for you to confirm this before I consider ordering one :)

SamuriHL

28th August 2020, 23:14

Yes, I'll wait for you to confirm this before I consider ordering one :)

Yea that's understandable and totally fine. :) I'll hook the Fury back up before the new card comes. I plan on pre-ordering it Tuesday once they unleash them. Should be fun.

chros

29th August 2020, 07:51

Actually I found a bug, not a small one, with madvr hdr output and 442.92 SD:
- start a HDR10 clip
- don't close the player
- start an SDR clip
- TV stays in HDR10 mode, it doesn't switch back to SDR! :mad:

It works the other way around: SDR -> HDR10
This was fine with 385.28.
Let me know if someone can reproduce it ...

It works fine after restarting the PC :) , I don't know what happened (maybe experimenting with Windows HDR toggle?). I'll keep an eye on it.
Note that I only installed the GPU driver and HDMI audio driver with NVCleanstall, nothing else (not even PhysX), everything else is removed.

@Klaus1189: you can put the following utils into the first post for nvidia cards:
- NVCleanstall (https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-nvcleanstall/) for removing bloatware from driver
- MSI Afterburner (https://www.msi.com//page/afterburner) for under/over-clocking/volting
- nVidia Inspector (https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/nvidia-inspector-download.html) for monitoring (nvidiaInspector.exe -showMonitoring)
- CRU (https://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Custom-Resolution-Utility-CRU) for creating 23p custom resolution (guide (https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1868998#post1868998))

Klaus1189

29th August 2020, 18:20

Done. If you or anybody else want anything else or some further descripion, please let me know and I add it.

chros

31st August 2020, 12:04

You say this.. and then you get a better card (1060 or above) and do NGU upscaling with SSIM2D downscaling and you go.. Oh, okay :P YMMV
How do you do 1080p -> 4k like this with madvr (NGU Sharp)?
There's no option for "always" at quadrupling sections, only at doubling section, so it only doubles it.

SamuriHL

1st September 2020, 18:15

Looks like I'm going with a 3080 this gen. I think it's going to be quite the card. Now, let's get those drivers.

chros

1st September 2020, 18:33

Looks like I'm going with a 3080 this gen. I think it's going to be quite the card. Now, let's get those drivers.
:D Yes, you don't have to go for the overpriced 3090 ($1500).

Just watching the live event (commented by 2 guys), the cuda core counts weren't right, this is huge (https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/compare/)! (and here (https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-8-gb-official-launch-price-specs-performance/))
- 1070 / 1080 / 1080TI: 1920 / 2560 / 3584
- 2070S / 2080S / 2080TI: 2560 / 3072 / 4352
- 3070 / 3080 / 3090 : 5888 / 8704 / 10496

I'll be curious about the lower cards later (3060, 3050, etc), they should be the real killers...

It's on Samsung 8nm, probably that's why they're not that good with power.
They mention HDMI 2.1 as well, the question is whether it's 40 or full 48Gbps :) And whether they enable (finally) 10 bit output for gaming GPUs as well ...

Another thing popped into my mind is whether these early cards will get AV1 decoder or just the seconds batch of cards (e.g. 3060) as nVidia used to do it in the previous generations (if there will be an AV1 decoder at all).

Lastly, as I said before, we don't have to upgrade GPUs for madvr itself :)

SamuriHL

1st September 2020, 18:54

SamuriHL

1st September 2020, 20:39

Ah, perfect, thanks for that. That's great news. I think I'm going to be quite happy with the 3080!

chros

1st September 2020, 21:06

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/rtx-30-series-av1-decoding
Ampere GPU family all have AV1 hardware decoding.
Cheers, that's good to hear. This will be the only reason when I'll upgrade.
Hopefully they talk about bitstream support, not the handicapped one :)

YOU don't have to upgrade the cards for madvr, but, for my use case I most definitely do. :) If I set my desired settings in madvr for some of the upscaling I do, it turns my 2070 into a slideshow. AV1 decoding was listed on the 3090 but I did not see the same listed on the 3080. That would suck if it's not there. The HDMI 2.1 bandwidth question is a valid one for sure. Power I'm not concerned with as I have an 850 watt gold PSU already. The price differential to me make the 3090 not quite worth it as I have no intention of going to 8K in the next 5 years. Given what I saw of the raw power of the 3080, I think I'm good with that decision. And if I change my mind later down the road, I'll have only spent 699 vs 1499. :D
:) Yes, 3080 is more than enough.
Although I'm not sure why you need such processing power for madvr, my 1060 can double/quadruple everything (!) with luma NGU Sharp (from Low to High, depending on resolution and framerate), and that's more than enough with a 65" screen from normal viewing distance. :) Of course, it's your choice...

About the HDMI, Vincent states (https://youtu.be/-McftdJMXP4) that the new Xbox will have only 40Gbps :)

SamuriHL

1st September 2020, 21:31

I am well aware you don't understand why I need the raw power in madvr. LOL I record a lot of shows on my TiVo, strip the commercials, and throw them on my NAS. Because my cable company sucks, they re-encode half the stuff to 720p 60. I upscale this to 4k 60. The settings I like to use after playing around with them make my 2070 cry for help and report me for abuse. LOL! So I have to compromise. Which still looks good, don't get me wrong, but, why should I want to compromise when I know madvr is capable of giving me the picture quality I want? Besides the fact that I do game and these new cards will save me from having to buy a new console. MS couldn't care less if you buy their hardware so long as you're buying their games. And that's the right approach. But back to madvr, I don't want any compromises. I wanna be able to set the quality I want and forget about it. The 2070 just isn't quite there. A 3080 is 50% faster than the 2080ti and a full 100% faster than the 2080. I will be quite pleased I think.

As for HDMI 2.1, not relevant to me until I upgrade my panel again and that's another 3 or so years away unless someone REALLY impresses me with the perfect screen.

chros

1st September 2020, 22:05

Yes, I won't upgrade my B8 either soon.
About madvr: do you actually see the difference between your current and your wishful settings? :) I mean 720p is already crap, nothing can make wonders out of it. What's your current settings with 720p@60?

SamuriHL

1st September 2020, 23:08

Yes, I see a VERY noticeable improvement with the settings I desire. The settings I have on there right now aren't bad but as I said, I've seen what can be done with higher settings. You're not wrong that 720p kinda blows, but, it can be vastly improved. And that is one of the motivations for a faster card.

ryrynz

2nd September 2020, 04:57

:D Yes, you don't have to go for the overpriced 3090 ($1500).

How can it be overpriced if there is zero competition? It's priced to sell and sell it will.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/rtx-30-series-av1-decoding

Ampere GPU family all have AV1 hardware decoding.

Expected and glorious. It's time for H.xxx to die figuratively speaking.

NikosD

2nd September 2020, 07:07

How can it be overpriced if there is zero competition? It's priced to sell and sell it will. According to specs, the 3090 card of 1500$ is ~20% faster in TFLOPS and ~23% faster in memory bandwidth than the 3080 card of 700$.
The only thing that "justifies" the >2x price is the amount of memory (2.4x)
Who needs 24GB of Video RAM ?

ryrynz

2nd September 2020, 07:24

The 20% justifies it too for people who want the best. It's not economical but it's not outrageous look at the Titan releases. They have to add something extra and this step in GB does start lead the way forward which has to be done. Sales will also determine its true market price. As for who needs it? Developers only I guess.. I'm unaware of any game that approaches 16GB let alone 24 but if you hold on to this card for a few years it's possible with new games or with high end texture packs for older ones you'll use greater than 16GB.

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